{The List-} Civilizations

[Mr. President]

Maybe you should type in your civilization's name at the beginning of each game, and then choose your attributes from a list.

(Or at least have an option to as well as picking one of the pre-programmed civilizations.)

This way, the people who want to play as the Scientific / Religious Faroe Islander nation can do so.

(Not that I have anything against the Faroe Islands. It's just the first small country I could think of.)

[Panag]

hi ,

as long as they include Israel , cause it will give a new meaning to the game , .... just think of all the scen's , ...

have a nice day

[Rasputin]

yep more customisatio nwould be good, ability to easily improt your own units looks etc...

[Plotinus]

Ah, a series of threads with comments by panag, and this one at the top - how did I guess what he was going to say...?
I think that Israel's a possibility but there are higher priorities - Abyssinia, Ghana, Mali, Songhai, for example. Africa is very under-represented in this game, while the Middle East is now over-represented with the addition of the Hittites et al (and we still don't have Assyria...).

[Panag]

Originally posted by Plotinus
Ah, a series of threads with comments by panag, and this one at the top - how did I guess what he was going to say...?
I think that Israel's a possibility but there are higher priorities - Abyssinia, Ghana, Mali, Songhai, for example. Africa is very under-represented in this game, while the Middle East is now over-represented with the addition of the Hittites et al (and we still don't have Assyria...).

hi ,

how can the middle east be represented without Israel , .....

the people of Israel , whether or not you call them jews have the right to be inside the game , .... why , cause huh , where are all those other great nations , .... they are all gone , except for us , we are still here , ...

and pages can be filled with reasons as to why , ....

have a nice day

[Plotinus]

Well, an ethnic or cultural group isn't quite the same as a civilisation, and whilst the Jews have been terribly important in cultural terms, they have been less so in political terms, which seems to be more of the criterion that they go for in this game. In Civ terms Israel hasn't been around for that long, because the modern state of Israel has no continuity with the ancient nation, any more than (say) the modern country of Greece has anything to do with the nation of Alexander the Great. Obviously Israel is the dominant power in the Middle East today, but if modern importance is your criterion for inclusion I think countries like Mexico, Brazil, or Nigeria might head the list. In fact there are *no* modern South American or African nations in Civ as it stands, which is really a more glaring admission than the absence of the modern state of Israel, omission though that still is.
Now if you're talking about including the *Jews*, in the sense of a cultural or ethnic group, that's much more interesting. I think there's a good case for trying to include a more full-blooded sense of culture and ethnic identity than currently exists in Civ. We have threads on this somewhere, don't we?
Nice idea about the scenarios though... I wouldn't mind having a go at being Joshua and invading the Canaanites...

[Panag]

Originally posted by Plotinus
Well, an ethnic or cultural group isn't quite the same as a civilisation, and whilst the Jews have been terribly important in cultural terms, they have been less so in political terms, which seems to be more of the criterion that they go for in this game. In Civ terms Israel hasn't been around for that long, because the modern state of Israel has no continuity with the ancient nation, any more than (say) the modern country of Greece has anything to do with the nation of Alexander the Great. Obviously Israel is the dominant power in the Middle East today, but if modern importance is your criterion for inclusion I think countries like Mexico, Brazil, or Nigeria might head the list. In fact there are *no* modern South American or African nations in Civ as it stands, which is really a more glaring admission than the absence of the modern state of Israel, omission though that still is.
Now if you're talking about including the *Jews*, in the sense of a cultural or ethnic group, that's much more interesting. I think there's a good case for trying to include a more full-blooded sense of culture and ethnic identity than currently exists in Civ. We have threads on this somewhere, don't we?
Nice idea about the scenarios though... I wouldn't mind having a go at being Joshua and invading the Canaanites...

hi ,

here is a short list , .....



Here is a capsule of accomplishments you may not be fully aware of. I thought you might find these statistics interesting.

The Middle East has been growing date palms for centuries. The average tree is about 18-20 feet tall and yields about 38 pounds of dates a year. Israeli trees are now yielding 400 pounds/year and are short enough to be harvested from the ground or a short ladder

Israel, the 100th smallest country, with less than 1/1000th of the world's population, can lay claim to the following:

The cell phone was developed in Israel by Israelis working in the Israeli branch of Motorola, which has its largest development center in Israel.

Most of the Windows NT and XP operating systems were developed by Microsoft-Israel.

The Pentium MMX Chip technology was designed in Israel at Intel. Both the Pentium-4 microprocessor and the Centrino processor were entirely designed, developed and produced in Israel.

The Pentium microprocessor in your computer was most likely made in Israel.

Voice mail technology was developed in Israel.

Both Microsoft and Cisco built their only R&D facilities outside the US in Israel.

The technology for the AOL Instant Messenger ICQ was developed in 1996 by four young Israelis.

Israel has the fourth largest air force in the world (after the U. S, Russia and China). In addition to a large variety of other aircraft, Israel's air force has an aerial arsenal of over 250 F-16's. This is the largest fleet of F-16 aircraft outside of the U. S.

According to industry officials, Israel designed the airline industry's most impenetrable flight security. U. S. officials now look to Israel for advice on how to handle airborne security threats.

Israel's $100 billion economy is larger than all of its immediate neighbors combined.

Israel has the highest percentage in the world of home computers per capita.

Israel has the highest ratio of university degrees to the population in the world.

Israel produces more scientific papers per capita than any other nation by a large margin - 109 per 10,000 people --as well as one of the highest per capita rates of patents filed.

In proportion to its population, Israel has the largest number of startup companies in the world. In absolute terms, Israel has the largest number of startup companies than any other country in the world, except the U. S. (3,500 companies mostly in hi-tech).

With more than 3,000 high-tech companies and startups, Israel has the highest concentration of hi-tech companies in the world -- apart from the Silicon Valley, U. S.

Israel is ranked #2 in the world for venture capital funds right behind the U. S.

Outside the United States and Canada, Israel has the largest number of NASDAQ listed companies.

Israel has the highest average living standards in the Middle East. The per capita income in 2000 was over $17,500, exceeding that of the UK.
On a per capita basis, Israel has the largest number of biotech startups.

Twenty-four per cent of Israel's workforce holds university degrees -- ranking third in the industrialized world, after the United States and Holland - and 12 per cent hold advanced degrees.

Israel is the only liberal democracy in the Middle East.

In 1984 and 1991, Israel airlifted a total of 22,000 Ethiopian Jews at risk in Ethiopia, to safety in Israel.

When Golda Meir was elected Prime Minister of Israel in 1969, she became the world's second elected female leader in modern times.

When the U. S. Embassy in Nairobi, Kenya was bombed in 1998, Israeli rescue teams were on the scene within a day -- and saved three victims from the rubble.

Israel has the third highest rate of entrepreneurship -- and the highest rate among women and among people over 55 - in the world.

Relative to its population, Israel is the largest immigrant-absorbing nation on earth. Immigrants come in search of democracy, religious freedom, and economic opportunity.

Israel was the first nation in the world to adopt the Kimberly process, an international standard that certifies diamonds as "conflict free."

Israel has the world's second highest per capita of new books.

Israel is the only country in the world that entered the 21st century with a net gain in its number of trees, made more remarkable because this was achieved in an area considered mainly desert.

Israel has more museums per capita than any other country.

Medicine... Israeli scientists developed the first fully computerized, no-radiation, diagnostic instrumentation for breast cancer.

An Israeli company developed a computerized system for ensuring proper administration of medications, thus removing human error from medical treatment. Every year in U. S. hospitals 7,000 patients die from treatment mistakes.

Israel's Givun Imaging developed the first ingestible video camera, so small it fits inside a pill. Used to view the small intestine from the inside, the camera helps doctors diagnose cancer and digestive disorders.

Researchers in Israel developed a new device that directly helps the heart pump blood, an innovation with the potential to save lives among those with heart failure. The new device is synchronized with the heart's mechanical operations through a sophisticated system of sensors.

Israel leads the world in the number of scientists and technicians in the workforce, with 145 per 10,000, as opposed to 85 in the U. S., over 70 in Japan, and less than 60 in Germany. With over 25% of its work force employed in technical professions. Israel places first in this category as well.

A new acne treatment developed in Israel, the ClearLight device, produces a high-intensity, ultraviolet-light-free, narrow-band blue light that causes acne bacteria to self-destruct -- all without damaging surrounding skin or tissue.

An Israeli company was the first to develop and install a large-scale solar-powered and fully functional electricity generating plant, in southern California's Mojave desert.


All the above while engaged in regular wars with an implacable enemy that seeks its destruction, and an economy continuously under strain by having to spend more per capita on its own protection than any other country on earth.



as for the list of the last 5700 years , well it would be to long , ....


have a nice day

[okblacke]

Originally posted by panag

Israel, the 100th smallest country, with less than 1/1000th of the world's population, can lay claim to the following:

Well, yeah.

But they killed Jesus.


Joke! Joke! Don't hurt me!

[okblacke]

Originally posted by panag
All the above while engaged in regular wars with an implacable enemy that seeks its destruction, and an economy continuously under strain by having to spend more per capita on its own protection than any other country on earth.

More seriously, one of Civ's flaws--and I can't imagine how it could be rectified--is that it can't model modern Israel. (And not just Israel. It doesn't really model India well, either, or Native Americans, etc., etc., etc.)

[Rasputin]

Originally posted by okblacke


Well, yeah.

But they killed Jesus.


Joke! Joke! Don't hurt me!

''

that is not funny ...

[Panag]

Originally posted by okblacke


Well, yeah.

But they killed Jesus.


Joke! Joke! Don't hurt me!

hi ,

well , that would great in a scen would it not be , ......

but correction , the romans did , ......

but this should go into the OT , ....



okblacke ; there are many civs that cant be model for civ then , .... yet India is in , .....

plenty of reasons as to include them , ....

yom tov

[DarkCloud]

Thanks for posting here guys... But I've started a new thread now. Hopefully this one will be closed soon. Keep the ideas coming!

[Max Sinister]

Originally posted by panag
Most of the Windows NT and XP operating systems were developed by Microsoft-Israel.

Sorry panag, but that's not what I consider a great achievement ;-)
(OK, I'm a Linux partisan)

The rest, however, is true.

[Lawrence of Arabia]

what about the mongols? and the huns? both came from central asia, both effected the world.

[Heresson]

Indeed very much so, but Hunns didn't last all that much and didn't create a remarkable CIVILIZATION. Just a big state that pushed Germanic tribes and Alans into Roman Empire, that's all